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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2009, 04:37:34 am »

Hi Geoffrey !

What a nice suprice, had to test it directly and worked great, my 10,95 km running was getting 115 points, and the same function as in routenavigation, distance to next point, and that beeping noise that directs you to the next point.

Simply awesome !

This Watch is a great thing, and releasing of new improved firmware is something thats realy is appriciated.

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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2009, 06:49:05 am »

Please send the new firmware to neuralt0k
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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2009, 10:45:51 am »

Hi Geoffrey !

What a nice suprice, had to test it directly and worked great, my 10,95 km running was getting 115 points, and the same function as in routenavigation, distance to next point, and that beeping noise that directs you to the next point.

Simply awesome !

This Watch is a great thing, and releasing of new improved firmware is something thats realy is appriciated.

Best regards

Roger C

Hi Roger

You also can press ESC and OK to skip the last or next point to navigate manually.

Sincerely,

Geoffrey
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2009, 11:44:22 am »

Now i tested the new FW. Here are some comments from me:
- HR%: to make this function really usefull it is necessary that the maximum HR can be entered manually. For most people the calculation of max HR from age will result in wrong values.
- Pace 1k: in the actual state not useable. Always wrong values.
- cumulative lap distance error: this is way better than before. Little improvements can be done like suggested by Hubert and Longjog.

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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2009, 12:00:59 pm »

Hi Hubert,

It seems no different than orginal after estiminated.

The last instance:
No of Lap   Trigger (1km)    Lap dist            GPS inaccuracy
----------   ---------------   -----------         -----------------
0               1000m             1006m                   +6
1               994m               999m                     +5
2               1001m             1004m                   +3
3               992m               997m                     +5
4               1003m             1005m                   +2
5               995m               1001m                   +6

Total comulatived error is 6-1+4-3+5+1=12m;

About yours:

No of Lap    Trigger              Lap dist (T+GPS inaccuracy)       
                 (T-GPS inaccuracy)          Diff
----------   -------------   ---------    -----
0               1000m             1006m        + 6 
1               994m               999m          -1
2               995m               998m          -2     
3               997m               1002m         +2
4               995m               997m           -3
5               998m               1004m         +4


Total comulatived error is +6-1-2+2-3+4=12m;

Needs to check more... ???

Regards, Geoffrey  :)

Hi Geoffrey,

thank you for thinking about my suggestion for the cummulative error in auto lap function !

I do not agree with you, that there is no difference between the two methods !

First of all:  Please re-check your calculation of the cumulative error in my suggestion:

Total comulatived error is +6-1-2+2-3+4=12m;

Needs to check more...  ???

I learned at school, that +6-1-2+2-3+4=6m  (not 12m !)
And this is:
  • Less than your cumulative error,
  • always the same as the last GPS inaccuracy
  • and that means, there is no cumulation !!

Maybe you think, this is a result of this special example
and if there is an error of 6m or 12m really doesn't matter.
But it's more than that:

Let me give two more examples.

First is an example, where GPS error is nearly constant and toggles from 6m to 8m:

With your algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 6m        1006m        + 6 
1               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8
2               998m                 + 6m        1004m        + 12     
3               996m                 + 8m        1004m        + 16
4               996m                 + 6m        1002m        + 18
5               998m                 + 8m        1006m        + 24

With my algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 6m        1006m        + 6 
1               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8
2               992m                 + 6m        998m         + 6     
3               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8
4               992m                 + 6m        998m         + 6
5               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8

As you can see, yours is cumulating, mine is not !
And the total error with my method is always exactly the last GPS error. No more.

Need one more example ?

This is an example, where GPS error toggles from nearly okay (1m) to bad (13m):

With your algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 1m        1001m        + 1 
1               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13
2               988m                 + 1m        989m         + 2     
3               1011m               + 13m       1024m       + 26
4               976m                 + 1m        977m         + 3
5               1023m               + 13m       1036m       + 39

With my algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 1m        1001m        + 1 
1               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13
2               987m                 + 1m        988m         + 1     
3               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13
4               987m                 + 1m        988m         + 1
5               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13

Here also yours is cumulating, mine is not.
And even more: Your method tends to build up ! Errors are getting bigger, effective
laps are much too short or much too long.

As a result, I'm sure my suggestions can solve the current problem with the
algorithm used in firmware X and I would like to ask you to check it again.
(If you decide to use my suggestion, you don't need to mention the famous
Hubert algorithm in your advertising...)
;)

Best regards, Hubert
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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2009, 04:22:07 pm »

Hi Geoffrey,
the new FW sound great! I'm interested in testing the new one, please send it to my email address.
Many thanks in advance.

Hello Geoffrey,

I am back from a holiday, but i am interested in the new FW, can you please send it to my emailaccount? I did some Hiking with the watch, worked out very good, I did follow a route from the local people, made by a Garmin GPS, I think my end result of the track was much better then from them.
What was interesting, they had some kind of waypoints in the gpx track, but I was be able to load it into the watch. I think they did that with Oziexplorer, because I suggested that to them, after giving a digitized and calibrated card to them.
I hope you can release the FW with the slope % soon. But thanks for continuing the updates.

Best regards Albert     

Hi Albert,

It is good to know the track of watch is better than Garmin.

Dear members,
About the firmwareX, we also put a suprising in that! Smart Track Back.
We are not only put arrow in 1/3 screen at right, but also it can guide you point by point instead of track routing!! You can trace with your taining files or you can download the file from PC to watch than perform it likes route navigation.
Map mode is the new but compass page still only shows the dircection to the destination as previous.

Enjoy your training!
Geoffrey :)

Thanks for this, can you please send me the FW to albertlajansen@live.nl

best regards, Albert
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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2009, 09:03:41 pm »

Dear leonker, Horst, alfanut, Icehands, albert, alb

The firmware was sent to your email box, please check it.



Sincerely,

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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2009, 10:07:58 am »

Hi Hubert,

It seems no different than orginal after estiminated.

The last instance:
No of Lap   Trigger (1km)    Lap dist            GPS inaccuracy
----------   ---------------   -----------         -----------------
0               1000m             1006m                   +6
1               994m               999m                     +5
2               1001m             1004m                   +3
3               992m               997m                     +5
4               1003m             1005m                   +2
5               995m               1001m                   +6

Total comulatived error is 6-1+4-3+5+1=12m;

About yours:

No of Lap    Trigger              Lap dist (T+GPS inaccuracy)       
                 (T-GPS inaccuracy)          Diff
----------   -------------   ---------    -----
0               1000m             1006m        + 6 
1               994m               999m          -1
2               995m               998m          -2     
3               997m               1002m         +2
4               995m               997m           -3
5               998m               1004m         +4


Total comulatived error is +6-1-2+2-3+4=12m;

Needs to check more... ???

Regards, Geoffrey  :)

Hi Geoffrey,

thank you for thinking about my suggestion for the cummulative error in auto lap function !

I do not agree with you, that there is no difference between the two methods !

First of all:  Please re-check your calculation of the cumulative error in my suggestion:

Total comulatived error is +6-1-2+2-3+4=12m;

Needs to check more...  ???

I learned at school, that +6-1-2+2-3+4=6m  (not 12m !)
And this is:
  • Less than your cumulative error,
  • always the same as the last GPS inaccuracy
  • and that means, there is no cumulation !!

Maybe you think, this is a result of this special example
and if there is an error of 6m or 12m really doesn't matter.
But it's more than that:

Let me give two more examples.

First is an example, where GPS error is nearly constant and toggles from 6m to 8m:

With your algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 6m        1006m        + 6 
1               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8
2               998m                 + 6m        1004m        + 12     
3               996m                 + 8m        1004m        + 16
4               996m                 + 6m        1002m        + 18
5               998m                 + 8m        1006m        + 24

With my algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 6m        1006m        + 6 
1               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8
2               992m                 + 6m        998m         + 6     
3               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8
4               992m                 + 6m        998m         + 6
5               994m                 + 8m        1002m        + 8

As you can see, yours is cumulating, mine is not !
And the total error with my method is always exactly the last GPS error. No more.

Need one more example ?

This is an example, where GPS error toggles from nearly okay (1m) to bad (13m):

With your algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 1m        1001m        + 1 
1               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13
2               988m                 + 1m        989m         + 2     
3               1011m               + 13m       1024m       + 26
4               976m                 + 1m        977m         + 3
5               1023m               + 13m       1036m       + 39

With my algorithm:

No of Lap    Trigger (1km)    GPS Error    Lap dist      Cumm Error 
----------   -------------   ---------    --------     -----------
0               1000m               + 1m        1001m        + 1 
1               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13
2               987m                 + 1m        988m         + 1     
3               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13
4               987m                 + 1m        988m         + 1
5               999m                 + 13m      1012m        + 13

Here also yours is cumulating, mine is not.
And even more: Your method tends to build up ! Errors are getting bigger, effective
laps are much too short or much too long.

As a result, I'm sure my suggestions can solve the current problem with the
algorithm used in firmware X and I would like to ask you to check it again.
(If you decide to use my suggestion, you don't need to mention the famous
Hubert algorithm in your advertising...)
;)

Best regards, Hubert

Woow... Professor Hubert!
Sorry for my bad mathematic.  :-[
Your alogrithm looks perfect, I will go for discussion with our engineer.

Maybe your job really is a teacher.  ;)

Geoffrey



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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2009, 05:32:39 pm »

Hi,
I have a GH-625M with firmware F-GGH-2A-0905191 and i would like to install the new firmware X. Can you please send it to my e-mail.
ruifre@gmail.com
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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2009, 12:35:28 pm »

Hello Geoffrey,javascript:void(0);

I tried the new FW X, the smart track back function is astonishing good, excellent work. I will put a comment in to the smart track back thread.
I found however some strange GPS readings with the new software, can be coincident but I think it is not.javascript:void(0);
I followed a track made with the watch in June, loaded that in and followed it with track back. After I was back loaded this into TG and was surprised to see the amount of times the GPS altitude was giving false altitude readings of -2 to even -30 meters. The real lowermost is +2 meter over the track distance. In the time I followed the track back it was 30 min. under zero. The track I made in June is not giving that kind of false readings, only 1 min below zero in the beginning so maybe not enough satellites.

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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2009, 03:01:10 pm »

Hi Geoffrey.

Probably Im the greater newcomer to this forum, but what Ive read about "Smart Track Back" sounds great to me.
Im not so interested in training features. I choose this swatch for the navigation functions.

Would you send me the new firmware X to my e-mail?

csrgarri@telepolis.com

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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2009, 09:13:00 am »

   
Hi Geoffrey.

I'll be back in the forum after some months of absence... you could send me the latest version of FW?

s.laudix@inwind.it

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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2009, 04:10:32 am »

Hi Geoffrey.

Probably Im the greater newcomer to this forum, but what Ive read about "Smart Track Back" sounds great to me.
Im not so interested in training features. I choose this swatch for the navigation functions.

Would you send me the new firmware X to my e-mail?

csrgarri@telepolis.com

Thanks.

Thanks for interest on our new firmware.
The firmware has sent to your email box, please have a check.

Regards

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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2009, 04:12:35 am »

   
Hi Geoffrey.

I'll be back in the forum after some months of absence... you could send me the latest version of FW?

s.laudix@inwind.it

Bye

Hi Salvatore

Nice to see you again! How are you?
I have sent the new firmware to your email box, please
have a check.

Sincerely,

Geoffrey  :)
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Re: Firmware X release!!
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2009, 10:01:47 am »

Hi Geoffrey.

I'm interested in the current "X" firmware too.

Would you please send it to my mailbox: tomschl@web.de

TIA
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