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GB-580 sample review
« on: June 30, 2011, 08:11:43 am »

The subject is GB-580 information sharing, testing feedback and communication for beta testers and enthusiasts.
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2011, 02:25:14 pm »

Ok here is the top post where I will keep everyone's idea organized to ease access. All undone request will be written under the name of each beta tester. So this post will constantly be edited.

In testing
New mounting

DONE
- enable customizable display contrast and/or changing typo for bold type
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10065#msg10065
 as of firmware F-GGH-2C-1107011.GHX

jervanheg
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10275#msg10275
- Correct antenna error manual page 5
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10280#msg10280
- menu navigation consistency error : Hitting "escape" should go back to previous page ("Display"); but instead, it goes back up 2 levels to "Configuration".
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10281#msg10281
- show only those pages that were actually user-configured. (IMO -canadien- should be brought on all devices)
Hardware
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10284#msg10284
- Resolve mounting weakness
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10296#msg10296
Page configurations aren't saved, and lost on switchoff.
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10288#msg10288
- Makes the piezo buzzer louder
- For data-buffs, it may be handy to have a scroll function between data pages.
- Calories on non-heartstrap devices is way off, as expected (I had 4800 :-)
- It may be better though to have the device show "0" speed when it is below a certain treshold + enough sat accuracy.
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10428#msg10428
- Correct digit baseline

Roger C
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10283#msg10283
- Text showing start/stop on the side of the gps
- Add blinking symbol to show on the 4 custom page that you have stopped timer
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10389#msg10389
- Add statusline (ex. battery, clock, timer stopped symbol) that is on Clock-page on all custom pages.

Phil
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10269;boardseen#new
- Skip waypoint in trackback feature to avoid going at the beginning
- Lap full problem when pressing lap.
- Stop/decelerating speed: having inertia when using GPS because of the accuracy/peak errors
- Same thing with cumulate, with GPS
- Odometer feature, that counts total traveled distance even when it's not recording an activity

Longjog
Firmware
- ask for "Record Activity" when starting Trackback
- Lap overview: see the LapTime and the LAPSpeed. For distance-based Auto-Lap: Lapdistance and LAPSpeed are interesting.
- clock in custom menu
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10219#msg10219

TurboTorben
Speed error configuration
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10182#msg10182
Buttons rotation
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10194#msg10194
Buttons pressure
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10201#msg10201
Replace mph by m/h (like on 625 to avoid confusion).
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10248#msg10248
having two diffent slope functions: one for mountain biking and another one for road bike
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10320#msg10320

Albert
- loop rotating pages
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3790.msg10179#msg10179

Next Albert's suggestion are all related to this post:
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10238#msg10238
- Change the quick button to page and arrow up together
- Switch backlight off option in the menu
- make a field in Barometer page  with option default home altitude
- correct auto-zoom in map mode
- Change the bicycle symbol (asked also by Longjob -and me-) see suggestion in Albert's post.
- For STP mode: if track back is activated change the logic of ESC button  into go back 1 page function
- Change the light grey fields to a bit darker (asked by TT and others too)
- Buttons setting: on the topside, makes it possible to do a lot better navigation thru the pages like back function and so on
- Monitor AVeraGe only at least every 4 sec to economize cpu use.
- Power indicator not only for accessories page.
- Correct slope (don't work) + not show up in TG!!
- Max speed calculations error???
- Make recoding automatic for Smart Trackback feature

http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10487#msg10487
- Make a variable in configuration with the option barometer slope calculation

http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10295#msg10295
- Slope a bit slow:  reset the slope to zero if altitude shows a  (after 2 sec)  a downhill situation or if it goes up from down altitude.
- Confusion in trackback feature with the bicycle and the line
- Add the option after track back reached his goal to continue ride
- Auto zoom mode should be based on STP so if this in almost the middle of the screen it should zoom in to.

http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10390#msg10390
- Improve speed based zoom a little bit as well.
- Slope calculation over a schorter time, Recording to Geoffrey they working on it.
- Change pages layout: If you go into the user pages the up and down key should page through the user pages until you press OK. Starting the recording should be made automatic and saving the data could be done by ESC key. The OK works than like the GH625 and you go through the other pages in a cycle.

http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10524#msg10524
- Totals like total ALT+ over all the trainings and the total Km on the device itself


canadien
Material
-speed and cadence combo instead of seperated sensors (will be implement next)
Firmware
- Move start and stop training buttons on the other side.
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10082#msg10082
- Symbol to show that backlight is on as it's hard to see it is during day (and stop from making it to turn on automatically when accessing general menu)
- Automatically remove map mode when trackback is over (unless it was enable before track back) -valid for all devices-
- My highest priority here:
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1594.msg10040#msg10040
- 90 and 180 degrees display rotation
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10125#msg10125


« Last Edit: August 13, 2011, 11:20:26 pm by canadien »
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 07:31:58 am »

I whish a better contrast of the display. Maybe the numbers should be bold types like the numbers of the speed in the "Flight Deck"



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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 04:48:36 pm »

I whish a better contrast of the display. Maybe the numbers should be bold types like the numbers of the speed in the "Flight Deck"
Sincerely
Longjog

Agree with Longjog.

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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2011, 06:44:10 pm »

IMHO I think accessing main menu while keeping the button pressed during 2 sec. is very fluid and does work fine!

But starting activity, stopping it and resetting it should be done, like all gs watches, with OK button (start stop activity) and esc button (reset activity). The arrow buttons "<-, ->" should only be use IMHO to navigate in the watch. And, of course, the right arrow buttons "->/LAP" to trigger lap.

I tink the more we concentrate functions on ESC and OK, the more the device become intuitive. Arrows buttons are just there to complement -no signifiant functions other then navigate (in the main menu and in the activity pages) and triggering lap". 

But I still think it's a firmware error that make stop and start buttons inverted!
« Last Edit: July 03, 2011, 07:29:14 pm by canadien »
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2011, 01:45:08 am »

I whish a better contrast of the display. Maybe the numbers should be bold types like the numbers of the speed in the "Flight Deck"



Sincerely
Longjog

Hi Longjog, Canadian,

The new firmware with contrast improvement has been sent to your all mail box, please kindly check that.


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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2011, 02:17:59 am »

Hi Canadian,

Thanks for detail and helpful suggestions.
Here is my comment:

canadien
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Material
-cross side bike mount cavity for horizontal installation on the handlebar
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3790.msg10016#msg10016
We design the cradle with eight holes for horizontal or vertical binding. You may rotate the cavity of rubber to fit handling bar or stem.
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-speed and cadence combo instead of separated sensors
The combo sensor will be released as next step.

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Firmware
- Move start and stop training buttons on the other side.
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10082#msg10082
What does mean "IMHO"? To make buttons intuitive is good idea. Do you have good idea?
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- Symbol to show that back light is on as it's hard to see it is during day (and stop from making it to turn on automatically when accessing general menu)
It sounds great, I will check with engineer.
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- Automatically remove map mode when track back is over (unless it was enable before track back) -valid for all devices-
It is doable. I will check engineer.
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- - My highest priority here:
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1594.msg10040#msg10040
It seems 1% difference. I am not sure it comes GPS accuracy imitation, but it is acceptable.

Longjog
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- enable customizable display contrast and/or changing typo for bold type
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10065#msg10065
Today I sent the new firmware to your both mail box, please check that.


Sincerely,

Geoffrey
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2011, 04:28:35 am »

Aha. I thought the entire display needed to be exchanged to a lighter grey to get better contrast.

BR
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2011, 06:55:15 pm »

We design the cradle with eight holes for horizontal or vertical binding. You may rotate the cavity of rubber to fit handling bar or stem.
Ok. Maybe you should correct the image in the manual as both way are installed in the handlebar. A little error but might not be so important after all...
- Move start and stop training buttons on the other side.
http://www.usglobalsat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3795.msg10082#msg10082
What does mean "IMHO"? To make buttons intuitive is good idea. Do you have good idea?
In My Humble Opinion, the less you have to play with different buttons on the device, the more it become intuitive. If you can set the majority of the functions on only two buttons, you have been successful. I have some ideas but think the first step is to do this. If you don't do this you are using too much buttons... IMHO

Before giving all my ideas concerning buttons pattern, I want to know what others beta think of that. I personally think that it's obvious to do this, like you did on your watches. Why being different???

« Last Edit: July 04, 2011, 06:59:43 pm by canadien »
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90 and 180 degrees horizontal
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 03:24:38 pm »

To make buttons intuitive is good idea. Do you have good idea?
To me intuitive mean logical and efficient. IMO actual pattern is not. I'll explain whyI think side buttons are inverted from the first day I tried it.

A logical way of thinking is to put main access functions buttons the highest possible and the navigation button in the lower part of the device. So the importance of the buttons decrease from the top to the bottom.This is for the logical part.

For the efficiency part, IMO, you have to concentrate on a main button -ESC button-, have a secondary button -OK button- and the rest of the buttons. Like I said, the less you use different buttons for main functions, the more it become efficient.

So we end up with something like this.



As you realize it makes the device text inverted ( I applied mirror effect).
So instead of remanufacturing everything you could send a front face sticker for girls and guys like me who prefer accessing main function by the top. But those who wish main function at the bottom could let it like it is...(without sticker).


I also put lap lap on esc button to be true to all gs-sport device and stays on the same logic. IMO split and escape buttons fit well together (in my head it's logic).

What do you think?

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« Last Edit: July 08, 2011, 08:50:42 pm by canadien »
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 04:23:19 pm »

Please see lower left button as "Up menu navigation" instead of "down menu navigation"
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2011, 04:07:21 pm »

...It's arrived! I received my GB-580B Sample today. Here are my first impression. Good looking product! Like the high resolution display! Unboxing the device - relvealed a surprise to me (maybe I just haven't been reading this forum thorough enough). The entry model (GB-580B) does not come with a heart rate monitor. I think many bike-riders will miss this feature. If you - as a cyclist should choose between the GB-580B and e.g. the GH625M (or maybe Garmin 305), they will get HRM with the GPS watches. Its hard for me to see which arguments should sell the GB580 in comparison to these.

Well, I'll take it for a ride tomorrow - It will be interesting to compare it to my GH625. I'll let you know how I did.

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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 04:17:02 pm »

FirmWare
In the GB-580B I have received there must be a small error in the firmware. I have configured it to use Metric system, but the custom page 5 (have default 5 fields), field number 3 is showing "ascending speed". This is shown as "mph", but in my opinion it should show "km/h".

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Re: 90 and 180 degrees horizontal
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 03:48:47 am »

To make buttons intuitive is good idea. Do you have good idea?
To me intuitive mean logical and efficient. IMO actual pattern is not. I'll explain whyI think side buttons are inverted from the first day I tried it.

A logical way of thinking is to put main access functions buttons the highest possible and the navigation button in the lower part of the device. So the importance of the buttons decrease from the top to the bottom.This is for the logical part.

For the efficiency part, IMO, you have to concentrate on a main button -ESC button-, have a secondary button -OK button- and the rest of the buttons. Like I said, the less you use different buttons for main functions, the more it become efficient.

So we end up with something like this.



As you realize it makes the device text inverted ( I applied mirror effect).
So instead of remanufacturing everything you could send a front face sticker for girls and guys like me who prefer accessing main function by the top. But those who wish main function at the bottom could let it like it is...(without sticker).


I also put lap lap on esc button to be true to all gs-sport device and stays on the same logic. IMO split and escape buttons fit well together (in my head it's logic).

What do you think?

You like it?

Please vote for me on my facebook profile!!!

-joke no facebook account-

Hi Canadian,

To group the keys regarding functionality is good idea and we are going to toward this direction. Just a question, to press ESC 2 seconds will turn off device. :-[ This is problem we can't group them.


Sincerely,

Geoffrey
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Re: GB-580 sample review
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 03:51:44 am »

FirmWare
In the GB-580B I have received there must be a small error in the firmware. I have configured it to use Metric system, but the custom page 5 (have default 5 fields), field number 3 is showing "ascending speed". This is shown as "mph", but in my opinion it should show "km/h".

Kind regards
TT

Hello TT,

Welcome to join us. :D
The "mph" means meter per hour, it often use for height calculation.


Sincerely,

Geoffrey
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